Extremely unlikely seeing him released from his vows and marrying Isabella as Philip II was the one who blocked his release from the Church
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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Borderline ASBish tree based on TL which I've seen few years ago on Polish site: Tsar Nicholas II is released from captivity by German special unit and installed by Germans as puppet monarch of Mitteleuropa, so Central Powers could claim, that they fight not to annex western Russian provinces but to put rightful monarch back on his throne. Plan fails and ww1 still ends with roughly OTL result, but the Poles decided to keep Nicholas on the throne to claim, that they're successors of Russian Empire and thus part of winning side of ww1 and should be given more in Versailles. Nicholas, as chain smoker, soon dies from lung cancer, Alexei dies from hemophilia and Olga succeedes him as Queen of Poland and claimant to the throne of Russia (Bolsheviks won Russian civil war also ITTL). She remains Eastern Orthodox but marries a Catholic (Amadeo of Savoy) and their children are raised as Catholics.
Olga Romanova (1895-1957) Queen of Poland, Titular Empress of Russia 1922, m. Amadeo di Savoia-Aosta (1898-1955)
1) Aleksandra (1924-2022) m. Mihai I (1921-2017) King of Romania
2) Jan IV (1927-1999) King of Poland 1957, m. Joséphine-Charlotte of Belgium (1927-2005)
3) Aleksander (1929-2009) Duke of Sandomierz, m. Hélène d'Orléans (b. 1934)
Olga Romanova (1895-1957) Queen of Poland, Titular Empress of Russia 1922, m. Amadeo di Savoia-Aosta (1898-1955)
1) Aleksandra (1924-2022) m. Mihai I (1921-2017) King of Romania
2) Jan IV (1927-1999) King of Poland 1957, m. Joséphine-Charlotte of Belgium (1927-2005)
3) Aleksander (1929-2009) Duke of Sandomierz, m. Hélène d'Orléans (b. 1934)
Main PODs: Katherine of Aragon is born male and Margaret of Austria's child isn't stillborn.
Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)
Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)
1) Isabella II of Spain (1498-1548) m. Ferdinand VI of Spain (1485-1536)
1) Maria I of Spain (1516-1558) m. Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, 3rd Duke of Alba (1507-1582)
2) Margaret (1519-1587) m. Francis III of Brittany (1518-1536)
3) Isabella (1521-1577) m. a) John of Denmark (1518-1532), b) Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1526-1546)
4) Joanna (1524-1579) m. Emmanuel Philibert (1528-1580)
5) Catalina (1526-1592) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1576)
6) Leonor (1528-1578) m. Sigismund II of Poland (1520-1572)
Suggestion: both Juan's daughter and Miguel da paz survive and marry each other. Having children, including surviving sons
Miguel I, King of Portugal (1498-1558) m. Isabella II, Queen of Spain (1498-1520)
1) Ferdinand VI of Spain (1516-1566) m. a) Madeleine of France (1520-1537), b) Isabella Jagiellon (1519-1559), c) Anna of Lorraine (1522-1568)
2) Margaret (1518-1570) m. Francis III of Brittany (1518-1536)
3) John (1520-1580) m. Maria of Braganza (1527-1586)
i imagine that Since Ferdinand gets portugal and Spsin John is given Naples and sicily.
That is interesting. I knew that Beatrice was fond of him. That said, Liko was the true love of her life.
It is the United Kingdom by this point. Kingdoms of England and Scotland were abolished back in 1707. No offense to anyone here but it deeply annoys me every single time someone calls Great Britain or United Kingdom 'England' post-1707. It is just simply not accurate to British history after Act of Union of 1707.
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Eleanor of Austria manages to have a son by François I
Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) m¹. Manuel I of Portugal (1469-1521) | m.² François I of France (1494-1547)
1¹) María of Portugal, Duchess of Viseu (5121-1577)
2²) Philippe, Duke of Anjou (1533-1608) m. ¿Elizabeth I of England? ¿Jeanne I of Navarre?
Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) m¹. Manuel I of Portugal (1469-1521) | m.² François I of France (1494-1547)
1¹) María of Portugal, Duchess of Viseu (5121-1577)
2²) Philippe, Duke of Anjou (1533-1608) m. ¿Elizabeth I of England? ¿Jeanne I of Navarre?
Maybe Elizabeth (If Henry really forces her, but I doubt it if it's after Liz becomes Queen or after Boleyn's death), Jeanne isn't likely either because I still see her marrying William the Rich ITL because of his somewhat anti-imperial stance which was seemed favorable with Francois, though I don't see a reason why Jeanne wouldn't marry Philippe after she annuls her marriage.
Alternatively I think Charles would rather prop his nephew than Charles d’Orleans when it comes time for the treaty of crepy
Barbara Zapolya does not die in 1515:
Barbara Zapolya (ca. 1495-1550) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
1) Hedwig (1513-1573) m. a) Janusz III (1502-1532) Duke of Mazovia, b) Joachim II (1505-1571) Elector of Brandenburg
2) Anna (1515-1520)
3) Sigismund II (1516-1569)Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1577)
4) Elizabeth (1519-1521)
5) Sophia (1521-1578) m. Albert Alcibiades (1522-1570) Margrave of Kulmbach [1]
6) Anna (1523-1581) m. Charles Victor (1525-1585) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel
7) Barbara (1526-1598) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tyrol
8) Vladislaus (1527-1549)
9) Albert II (1529-1592) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1569, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1594)
[1] ITTL he is Catholic, as his father was not killed by dysentery in 1527, so Alcibiades is not raised by Protestant uncle.
Barbara Zapolya (ca. 1495-1550) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
1) Hedwig (1513-1573) m. a) Janusz III (1502-1532) Duke of Mazovia, b) Joachim II (1505-1571) Elector of Brandenburg
2) Anna (1515-1520)
3) Sigismund II (1516-1569)Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1577)
4) Elizabeth (1519-1521)
5) Sophia (1521-1578) m. Albert Alcibiades (1522-1570) Margrave of Kulmbach [1]
6) Anna (1523-1581) m. Charles Victor (1525-1585) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel
7) Barbara (1526-1598) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tyrol
8) Vladislaus (1527-1549)
9) Albert II (1529-1592) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1569, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1594)
[1] ITTL he is Catholic, as his father was not killed by dysentery in 1527, so Alcibiades is not raised by Protestant uncle.
gender-bent issue:
Henry II of France m. Catherine de Medici
1) Madeleine m. Charles of Lorraine
2) Henry III of France m. a) Mary Queen of Scots, b) Elisabeth of Austria
3) Francis m. Dorothea of Lorraine
4) Claude m. Carlos Prince of Asturias
5) Catherine m. Rudolf II HRE
6) Margaret m. Sebastian I of Portugal
Henry II of France m. Catherine de Medici
1) Madeleine m. Charles of Lorraine
2) Henry III of France m. a) Mary Queen of Scots, b) Elisabeth of Austria
3) Francis m. Dorothea of Lorraine
4) Claude m. Carlos Prince of Asturias
5) Catherine m. Rudolf II HRE
6) Margaret m. Sebastian I of Portugal
Jacobite Wank.
Charles III of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1720 - 1800) m. Maria Antonia of Bavaria (1724 - 1793)
Bonnie Prince Charlie pulls out a win in the '45. Actually being on the throne allows him to make a better match for himself, and opens his kids up to continental matches. No idea if OTL Marie Antoinette would be a good candidate for the Stuarts, just thought'd it be funny to have her wind up as TTL's Queen of England, Scotland, and Ireland. Definitely willing to take some flak for this though, it's unclear how much BPC would've committed to Catholicism while actually reigning as King, and it's possible his kids might've got hitched with native English and Scottish Protestants.
Charles III of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1720 - 1800) m. Maria Antonia of Bavaria (1724 - 1793)
1) James IV and IX (1747 - 1822) m. Maria Antonia of Austria (1755 - 1833)
2) Mary (1748 - 1830) m. Louis XVI of France (1754 - 1823)
3) Robert (1750 - 1759)
4) Henry (1750 - 1799)
5) Louis (1752 - 1806)
Bonnie Prince Charlie pulls out a win in the '45. Actually being on the throne allows him to make a better match for himself, and opens his kids up to continental matches. No idea if OTL Marie Antoinette would be a good candidate for the Stuarts, just thought'd it be funny to have her wind up as TTL's Queen of England, Scotland, and Ireland. Definitely willing to take some flak for this though, it's unclear how much BPC would've committed to Catholicism while actually reigning as King, and it's possible his kids might've got hitched with native English and Scottish Protestants.
They might take the Saxony route of remaining Catholic but not trying to force it on a predominantly Protestant population to keep the peace.
Iberian Union.
Isabel II of Castile, I of Aragon, Naples and Sicily (1470-1525) m. Manuel I of Portugal, Duke of Beja and Viseu (1469-1523)
1. Miguel, de la Paz, Prince of Portugal (1498-1500)
2. Jośe I of Portugal, Castile, Aragon, Naples, Sicily (1516 - 1571) m. Mary of England (1516 -1569)
Isabel II of Castile, I of Aragon, Naples and Sicily (1470-1525) m. Manuel I of Portugal, Duke of Beja and Viseu (1469-1523)
1. Miguel, de la Paz, Prince of Portugal (1498-1500)
2. Jośe I of Portugal, Castile, Aragon, Naples, Sicily (1516 - 1571) m. Mary of England (1516 -1569)
a. Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1535-1537)
b. Isabel of Portugal (1536- 1560) m. Philippe V, Duke of Burgundy
c. Jośe II of Portugal, Castile, Aragon, Naples and Sicily (1540 - 1579) m. ??
d. Juan, infante of Portugal (1542-1570) m. ??
e. Maria, infanta of Portugal (1543-1543)
f. Fernando, infante of Portugal (1545 -1480) m. ??
3. Isabel of Portugal, Castile, Aragon, Naples and Sicily (1516 -1559) m. Francis II, King of France (Had issue including 2 kings of France )
# Isabel of Aragon survives to become queen of Spain after her parents and becomes a successful crusader queen in her own right having conquered Africa and Tunis from the Moors and also having fought the Ottomans on land and sea. Despite her glorious reign, the death of her son Miguel in 1500, left a dark stain of fear in the minds of the nobility and monarchy when the doctors informed that the Isabel might never be able to conceive. Throughout her marriage Isabel would try to convince her husband to annual the marriage as his dynasty was in the fear of extintion and that he needed healthy male heirs. Manuel would, ofcourse, have none of it. In late 1516, when both King and Queen were in their late 40s, in a banquet celebrating the kingdom's conquest of the new world, Isabel and Manuel, both drunk to the core, took to bed together. A few months later, to the shock (and joy) of the court, Isabel II of Castile would announce her pregnancy and later give birth to her and Manuel's only children- A son named Jośe as a form of gratitude towards the saint from the Monarchs and a daughter named Isabel, as choose by Manuel and customer in her matriarchal line.Great work! Suggestion for a tree: Juan posthumous child is born alive and a boy names Juan after his father.