Good guesses, though never assume that I’m not above being egregiously on the nose!I think May 5 would be too on-the-nose given Nashville and Hilton Head (also, the timing just doesn't work)
Instead, in true Turtledove fashion I'm going to say November 4 (date on which the the Civil War concludes in How Few Remain), as alternate history rhymes more than OTL.
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I don't think it is going to end until after the next election. So that has to be sometime after November 7, 1916. Considering the old canard of "that war will be over by Christmas ... but which Christmas?" I'd actually like to the Confederate government trying to hold out until after the holiday season (oooh! You could talk about Dixie's "Black Christmas" and the mood of the holiday as everyone knows the war is lost but no one wants to throw in the towel yet. And naturally a serial killer, with the assistance of a bad cat, kills a bunch of people). So I'm going to argue for early January - lets say January 6, 1917.
The war ending on Christmas leading to the CSA calling it Black Christmas would be hilarious.
Also Christmas being one of the most important christian holidays is a *very* recent thing actually; I could see Confederates downplaying it out of spite just because thats a very Southron thing to do.
You might very well be right but I'm of the mind that the war ends just before the election and the October Surprise of an armistice is what puts Hughes/whoever runs instead of Hughes over the top in the election a few weeks or so later.
Echoes of Sherman’s March to the Sea in late 1864 putting Lincoln over the line, though obviously entirely different contexts
Yeah, the situation is vastly different - in the ATL the Democrats aren't at risk of pulling Union troops back, and there seems to be a nation consensus of breaking the Southron's will. So 1916 is going to revolve around who can pursue the war better - the Dems will draw a lot of attention to corruption and failures on the battlefield (the occupation of Maryland, for instance, or wondering why Richmond isn't in Union hands yet.) So the campaign right before the election (and it might actually BE the Fall of Atlanta, because much like Geoge Lucas says "It rhymes!") is what convinces enough Americans to not want to change horses during the last lap. But the war still drags on for a few months later, because even if the Confederae leadership KNOWS its over, no one wants to be the one to say it: look what happened to the LAST guy who questioned the war, even before it began!
Also: Really, not one comment about a serial killer cat
So, remember when I asked if you had compiled the excerpts of the fictional books and you say you did not. Well, just for fun, I tried doing it to Gustavo Reyes' long running "Maximilian of Mexico" ^^.
At pocket book format, margins and work breaks, and I've just compiled every excerpt up to late 1913 (which is the point I'm at), I got 91 pages.
At pocket book format, margins and work breaks, and I've just compiled every excerpt up to late 1913 (which is the point I'm at), I got 91 pages.
If Mexico makes some sort of agreement with the US then I see Texas starting to look for a deal to save themselves. With the Confederacy focused on the east I see the Texans unwilling to sacrifice anymore.
My prediction, Christmas Day, because that would be huge in future history books and why the hell not?!
I don't remember if this timeline got a Lincoln declared Thanksgiving. If not, I will bet on the last Thursday in November, just for fun.
I’d say that’s broadly accurate. Depends how you define “better” but the US is, while not the world’s superpower, politically more functional with a more equal economy with the South not being inside the tent
Are you still rolling with Prince Edward Island as Cayman North? Because if they're a weird tax carveout they might be better off than OTL?
I sure am! From a GDP per capita standpoint they almost certainly are!
Maybe that should be an upcoming Cincoverse EU update…