Would this lead to a North Korea Civil War between the Kim Clique and the rest?
Red Alert - Our 1953 USSR
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Well since Kim Il Sung technically "lost" the Korean War for both the military civilian populations so...
Still I assume it will not be a easy transition and new North Korea.
Yeah but OTL the Kim's arent just any regular dictators, there is a deep rooted cultural, nearly religious cult around their dynasty. Dictators with fewer tiem indoctrinating their people have managed to get them to fight till the End, so I can see a pro-Kim resistance (albeit mostly among upper military and politicals who are the likeliest to lose position, rank, power and influence under new Leadership. The overall thing also depents heavily how South Korea reacts to all of it in tearms of politics, support, or lack thereoff both for new regime and North Korean people overall (and if the South want's to interfere either way, OTL the desire to reunite is rather low among South Koreans, especially the younger people).
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True but it'll make South Korea be seen bad by the North though... hopefully.
Sadly most of that mindset comes from German Reunification, after the South Koreans viewed long-term cost and overall integration process, made some calculations to model what had happaned in East-West Germany unto Nort-South Korea and suddenly went 180 from yeah, possible to nope not in our best interest. The problem is after such long seperation with different cultural, societal, ideological, religious and political changes, people sadly grow apart rather much so any form of reapproach will take time, much time, let alone any plans for reunification or the sorts (which reminds me to do my planned United Korea AU/TL one of these days) ...
1. Should all German POW's be released from the Soviet imprisonment?
A) Yes, adding my agreement to @ruffino and @Kurd Gossemer
2. Please write down how should upcoming administrative reform/anti-corruption and anti-bureaucracy campaign be done?
I'll add my agreement to @ruffino's plan with the addition by @TheImperialTheorist.
3. In a few weeks time, General Secretary Zhukov will attend a summit in Moscow, where he will meet with leaders of Eastern European governments. Please write down, on which topics should the summit focus on?
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, @Kurd Gossemer and @Fratsup's plans.
4. As General Secretary Zhukov is now 6 months in charge, it's high time to form a stance of the new Soviet government towards the legacy of 30-years of Joseph Stalin. Please write it down.
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, and @Kurd Gossemer's plans.
Should Pak Kum-chol replace Kim Il Sung as leader of North Korea
A) Yes.
A) Yes, adding my agreement to @ruffino and @Kurd Gossemer
2. Please write down how should upcoming administrative reform/anti-corruption and anti-bureaucracy campaign be done?
I'll add my agreement to @ruffino's plan with the addition by @TheImperialTheorist.
3. In a few weeks time, General Secretary Zhukov will attend a summit in Moscow, where he will meet with leaders of Eastern European governments. Please write down, on which topics should the summit focus on?
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, @Kurd Gossemer and @Fratsup's plans.
4. As General Secretary Zhukov is now 6 months in charge, it's high time to form a stance of the new Soviet government towards the legacy of 30-years of Joseph Stalin. Please write it down.
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, and @Kurd Gossemer's plans.
Should Pak Kum-chol replace Kim Il Sung as leader of North Korea
A) Yes.
For a guy that came up with no war, no peace policy i kinda doubt that we should rehabilitate him that much.
A) Yes, but gradually with screening system in place releasing the ones that have useful skills, or family back home but also making sure that ideological enemies are found and gradually rehabilitated before they are released, last to be released should be the ones that committed crimes against Soviet population.
Most importantly is to keep unity of the party, but otherwise as other people had said fight against corruption should be done gradually and slowly with a mind towards reforming the party.
We should introduce more trasparancey within decision making as well as give local party officials more autonomy from the centre when it comes to decision making, managers should be encouraged to make independent decisions for their companies and we should avoid punishing people for failing to meet the quotas set by the state , instead we should form a commisions tasked with reexamination of said failures so we may address them and set more realistic goals.
We should also genuinely give some autonomy to the Unions to avoid Manager abusing their position.
Generally idea is to give more influence to local burocracy (but not the republics) so that their voices are more heard when decisions are made at the top, as well as to avoid pateonage networks being created from top, to the bottom. We should also avoid heavy reprocusions for failures as that just motivates people not to take responsibility and to falcify data, more autonomy for Managers is always good but it should be balanced by the Unions to avoid them abusing their positions (like longer working hours for something to be made secretly for Managers).
Politically we should give more autonomy to elected institutions of Supreme Soviet like encouraging independent debates and initiatives but still mantain power of Poliburo to veto ceartin decision, opposed to it being Rubber stamp institution, we should still keep tight control on who enters in those halls.
Most important topics for everyone right now will be our rebuilding efforts, we should create a common plan and pledge our support to the rebuilding effort of individual countries and encourage solidarity between fellow Eastern European states, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn't encourage new things like encouraging investment in better railway system to connect Eastern Europe and greater economic integration.
In the view of greater economic integration we should encourage deregulation and makroorganization of five year plans in order for us to avoid month long negotiations between member states and we should instead advocate giving individual companies more autonomy when chosing with who to cooperate as long as ceartin quotas for the need of the population are fulfilled. We should also create European Reconstruction community to coordinate and to help reconstructing efforts of devastated countries. Our other topics should be to encourage more independent decision making among fellow Communist countries based on their own situations, reducing the need for interventionism to legitimize East European Communist parties in the eye's of their population, dialouge over force when it comes to dealing with wishes of the population, emphasis on common and individual development of fellow East European Communist countries with emphasis on rise of standards of living.
Other subject of discussion should be Western led reconstruction effort, we should allow individual countries to engage with the West as long as it doesn't endanger political stability of the Eastern Block (look it's better to allow East European countries some gradual Engagement with the West).
We should also speak about the fight against Imperialism and colonialism and importance of helping fellow socialist and Communist movements across the world.
We should do gradual destalinization of our society, but avoid public denouncement of Stalin as that could lead to political consequences for much of the Eastern Block. We should acknowledge some of the mistakes made by Stalin but also make sure to emphasize good parts of his leadership, including his role in industrialization of our country, leadership in WW2 and role in spread of Communist movement across the world. Basically 70% good and 30% bad gradual approach.
Should Pak Kum-chol replace Kim Il Sung as leader of North Korea?
Yes we should remove Kim, but we should make sure to negotiate with China beforehand to avoid any fallout in Communist movement over this. Emphasize that this isn't directed against China and reassure them that Chinese interests will be respected as we both want more controlled state on our borders.
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B. I just don’t see a point in changing horses? Yes, North Korea is a terrible place to live, but we are changing the way Socialism is implemented and that should have effects on North Korea and make it better. But by changing the leadership so soon, we aren’t giving the reforms a chance to work.
Imperador Pedro III
Banned
This North Korea is still not the Juche Monarchy we all know. Kim has still not managed to consolidate the party and the cult of personality around him, that's why we need to strike first when there's still a faction of grizzly war veterans to support.
You can forget that option latter. And its good to remember that Kim just lost a war, and one initiated without our permission, so we have good in story reasons to oust him.
1. Should all German POW's be released from the Soviet imprisonment?
A) Yes, I think @ruffino and @Kurd Gossemer's plans are the best
2. Please write down how should upcoming administrative reform/anti-corruption and anti-bureaucracy campaign be done?
I'll add my agreement to @ruffino's plan with the addition by @TheImperialTheorist.
3. In a few weeks time, General Secretary Zhukov will attend a summit in Moscow, where he will meet with leaders of Eastern European governments. Please write down, on which topics should the summit focus on?
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, @Kurd Gossemer and @Fratsup's plans with exception, Austria. As a neutral nation we should work out a policy of buying imports from the the non communist world through Austria. Obviously this has limits and a clear vulnerability but should allow us to to continue to continue industrialising and provide consumer goods for our population.
4. As General Secretary Zhukov is now 6 months in charge, it's high time to form a stance of the new Soviet government towards the legacy of 30-years of Joseph Stalin. Please write it down.
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, and @Kurd Gossemer's plans.
Should Pak Kum-chol replace Kim Il Sung as leader of North Korea
B No, Kim's became that way because of how the world happened in one timeline and their own choices as a result. Different world different choices.
Note on the matter of Korea I'm a bit unsure of it's future, by that it's certainly very useful as a wedge issue neither China or the USSR want a united pro US Korean state and the fear of that happening helps keeps us in a strong alliance. On the other hand if we want a better North Korea right, one better than the South?
One issue though is where it goes from there, by that the desire for unification was real early on, communist popularity was semi real (existed a bit but also a paranoid fear of South Korean dictators as well as as vital for ensuring US support ) what should we do this materialises into direct actions? I doubt it would be a major uprising or could overthrow South Korea but something to consider is how our ideology we champion could drag us into conflicts.
A) Yes, I think @ruffino and @Kurd Gossemer's plans are the best
2. Please write down how should upcoming administrative reform/anti-corruption and anti-bureaucracy campaign be done?
I'll add my agreement to @ruffino's plan with the addition by @TheImperialTheorist.
3. In a few weeks time, General Secretary Zhukov will attend a summit in Moscow, where he will meet with leaders of Eastern European governments. Please write down, on which topics should the summit focus on?
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, @Kurd Gossemer and @Fratsup's plans with exception, Austria. As a neutral nation we should work out a policy of buying imports from the the non communist world through Austria. Obviously this has limits and a clear vulnerability but should allow us to to continue to continue industrialising and provide consumer goods for our population.
4. As General Secretary Zhukov is now 6 months in charge, it's high time to form a stance of the new Soviet government towards the legacy of 30-years of Joseph Stalin. Please write it down.
I'll add my support to a mixture of @ruffino, and @Kurd Gossemer's plans.
Should Pak Kum-chol replace Kim Il Sung as leader of North Korea
B No, Kim's became that way because of how the world happened in one timeline and their own choices as a result. Different world different choices.
Note on the matter of Korea I'm a bit unsure of it's future, by that it's certainly very useful as a wedge issue neither China or the USSR want a united pro US Korean state and the fear of that happening helps keeps us in a strong alliance. On the other hand if we want a better North Korea right, one better than the South?
One issue though is where it goes from there, by that the desire for unification was real early on, communist popularity was semi real (existed a bit but also a paranoid fear of South Korean dictators as well as as vital for ensuring US support ) what should we do this materialises into direct actions? I doubt it would be a major uprising or could overthrow South Korea but something to consider is how our ideology we champion could drag us into conflicts.
Imperador Pedro III
Banned
Juche was developed as the Korean "reaction" to Kruschev's reformism. Knowing that we plan to go even deeper into the reformist path, the most logic outcome of this would be an even more hardline North Korea, which would be keen on antagonizing the "Revisionist" USSR side by side with Maoist China.
We cannot allow this to happen. That's why we need to eliminate Kim and push NK towards a more prosperous and open path.
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Should Pak Kum-chol replace Kim Il Sung as leader of North Korea
B) No. Though if the plan goes through I'd like assurances that the Kim family remains safe during a power transfer. How else can the next pioneer in film revolutionize the industry?
B) No. Though if the plan goes through I'd like assurances that the Kim family remains safe during a power transfer. How else can the next pioneer in film revolutionize the industry?