I was browsing about the Internet in the throes of my usual nigh-addictive fascination for Trivia (most often triggered by an ongoing quest to bolster whichever novel I happen to be reading with pictures to illustrate what the author happens to have alluded to or otherwise mentioned without describing) and stumbled across something very interesting on the Website of those industrious and expert modellers The Perry Twins.
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_81&osCsid=ef2eagbrgapj5edtan4m9v5i87
What I found seemed so appropriate to the content of this thread that I simply could not resist linking to it; I hope that it proves as much of a windfall to those who (like myself) would dearly love to be able to whistle up an Osprey Publications sourcebook (or other beautifully-Illustrated textbook) on whichever Alternate History timeline they happen to be reading about at present.
The fact that Messrs Alan and Michael Perry also seem to have made some excellent Confederate and Union figurines to compliment their "British Intervention Force" selection can only be described as the icing on the cake!
Please enjoy with my compliments to both yourselves and to the original sculptors.
And not a single word about their God's given right of having slaves I see. Hypocrisy, thy name is you
In order to be completely fair, I should note that slavery was the primary but not sole reason they were after independence. It's rare people are motivated by a single cause, and secondary ones (like the belief that Washington was overstepping bounds, or the tariff, or simply belief that it was legal) appear in internal discussion too often for it to be merely a smokescreen.Damn straight. Save for the parts about war with Britain this is all snipped from Davis second inaugural address. Lots of flowery language, little about all the real reasons they were looking for independence.
In order to be completely fair, I should note that slavery was the primary but not sole reason they were after independence. It's rare people are motivated by a single cause, and secondary ones (like the belief that Washington was overstepping bounds, or the tariff, or simply belief that it was legal) appear in internal discussion too often for it to be merely a smokescreen.
The world's complicated.
Though you should also realize that, since every state did mention it, then Davis shouldn't have had a reason to ignore it in his speeches if it was the driving factor. (That is, if the argument is that it was important because everyone talked about it, then because Davis talked about other things then those other things should be important too).There are few single issue things, but slavery was the driving factor behind secession. Every seceding state explicitly mentions it in their reasons for secession. Slavery was the only issue which could have caused a war like this.
Which was all dependent on having slaves! So, yeah, it was slavery at it's core with every other branching off from it at the core. Davis not mentioning it was because it was pretty much a none issue.Though you should also realize that, since every state did mention it, then Davis shouldn't have had a reason to ignore it in his speeches if it was the driving factor. (That is, if the argument is that it was important because everyone talked about it, then because Davis talked about other things then those other things should be important too).
One reason the tariff was considered important to the people of the South, by the way, is that it was seen as punishing them and rewarding industry-focused Northerners (the South was proud of their - slave based - cash crops producing much of the forex the US had, and was not much pleased with the idea they would have to use that on more expensive Northern industry protected by a tariff wall).
Not enough by itself to cause a war - but enough to feed into a narrative of the North being "after" the South.
Though you should also realize that, since every state did mention it, then Davis shouldn't have had a reason to ignore it in his speeches if it was the driving factor. (That is, if the argument is that it was important because everyone talked about it, then because Davis talked about other things then those other things should be important too).
One reason the tariff was considered important to the people of the South, by the way, is that it was seen as punishing them and rewarding industry-focused Northerners (the South was proud of their - slave based - cash crops producing much of the forex the US had, and was not much pleased with the idea they would have to use that on more expensive Northern industry protected by a tariff wall).
Not enough by itself to cause a war - but enough to feed into a narrative of the North being "after" the South.
Which was all dependent on having slaves! So, yeah, it was slavery at it's core with every other branching off from it at the core. Davis not mentioning it was because it was pretty much a none issue.
Oh, I get what you're trying to say.I think that, if I could sum up my point, it would be that slavery is undoubtedly the ultimate cause - but that if writing about the period it is important to realize that people of the time saw multiple issues (much like "racism" is the ultimate cause of several different societal ills in the modern day, such as - say - police brutality) and that they saw themselves as being persecuted by the North both in the future and right then (i.e. the tariff).
Indeed - which is something it's important to remember not only when trying to work out how they think, but also when trying to understand why they said what they did.Oh, I get what you're trying to say.
Your view is that while thanks to hindsight we can simply sum up the whole secession to have been rooted to the Slavery issue, the Peoples of the period would instead see many indignities imposed upon them by their Northern Countryman as the major cause of the war.
There are few single issue things, but slavery was the driving factor behind secession. Every seceding state explicitly mentions it in their reasons for secession. Slavery was the only issue which could have caused a war like this.
Of course, that ignores the fact that it comes with.... conditions.Man, Davis is probably on cloud 9 giving that speech. British intervention is almost as good as good as the second coming.